{"id":1365,"date":"2025-04-30T19:30:53","date_gmt":"2025-04-30T19:30:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/?p=1365"},"modified":"2026-03-11T22:49:45","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T22:49:45","slug":"the-art-of-being-tapt-in-conversation-with-fernospazzin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/the-art-of-being-tapt-in-conversation-with-fernospazzin\/","title":{"rendered":"What Does It Mean to Be &#8220;Tapt&#8221;? Ferno Has an Answer."},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Dante Guzzi has been making music under the name Fernospazzin since 2019. His records have since crossed a billion streams &#8212; &#8220;Vampiro&#8221; with Matu\u00ea, &#8220;3AM&#8221; with NBA YoungBoy, &#8220;No No No&#8221; with A Boogie wit da Hoodie and Flipp Dinero. By any measure, he&#8217;s had a serious run.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But he&#8217;ll be the first to tell you he doesn&#8217;t want to be defined by any of it. His broader view is that a producer&#8217;s sound should evolve as they do &#8212; that self-awareness and art aren&#8217;t separate things, they feed each other. He and a close friend have a word for that state of alignment: tapt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We sat down with Ferno to talk about the NLE Choppa moment that opened everything up, why he resists the idea of a fixed signature sound, and what being tapt actually looks like in practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"margin-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--70);margin-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--70);background-color:#e5e5e5;color:#e5e5e5\"\/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/ferno\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1201\" height=\"604\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-WAVS-profile.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1376\" style=\"border-style:none;border-width:0px;width:760px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-WAVS-profile.jpg 1201w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-WAVS-profile-300x151.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-WAVS-profile-1024x515.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-WAVS-profile-768x386.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1201px) 100vw, 1201px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6a30944c6e768ddd89c7a361cfacdbb1\" style=\"font-size:13px\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/ferno\">Ferno on WAVS<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:56px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q:<\/strong> <strong><strong>Everyone\u2019s got that one track that changed everything for them. Which placement or record felt like a turning point in your career? What made it so significant for you?<\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-8ce788742663c3b40cfb7b055a252a49\"><em><strong>Ferno<\/strong>: <\/em>In December 2019, I opened Instagram one afternoon, and <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCWICXNlSLc7eeNazpzUZcLg\"><em>NLE Choppa<\/em><\/a><\/span> had posted a video in the studio rapping over my beat. At the time, it felt like the confirmation I needed that the effort I\u2019d put into sharing my work thoughtfully had started to open doors I hadn\u2019t even imagined. That moment showed me that success isn\u2019t just about working as hard as possible &#8211; it\u2019s about giving your all while moving intelligently and adeptly. Since then I\u2019ve never looked back and my outlook on what&#8217;s possible has expanded tremendously. I don\u2019t like to count out any possibility these days.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:63px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q<\/strong>: <strong><strong>Producers often talk about having a \u2018signature sound\u2019. How would you describe yours, and do you consciously try to shape it, or is it something that just naturally happens over time?<\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-73d9e1941851e980112ddd05f8edbbda\"><em><strong>Ferno<\/strong>: <\/em>I\u2019ve gone back and forth on whether or not I have a \u2018signature sound\u2019 and what that even means. This question is deeply connected to my own journey of personal growth. To be blunt, I don\u2019t know if I\u2019ll ever have just one \u2018signature sound\u2019 &#8211; my sound evolves, matures, and shifts as I do. If anything, when looking back at different periods of my work, certain stylistic elements may emerge, but they\u2019re always tied to where I am at that moment in life. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:10px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-6e1db1cb04a2d78d77e866a48388346a\">I\u2019ve come to believe that being self-reflective is essential &#8211; not just in art, but in life. Working on yourself as a person, being on a continuous path of growth, through all the highs and lows, directly feeds your creativity. It sharpens your perspective and expands your capacity to create something real. When you\u2019re truly in tune with yourself, you develop what I consider a sixth sense, a heightened awareness that allows you to observe, absorb, and express with clarity. As a result, some semblance of a \u2018sound\u2019 can be born. This is the essence of what me and a great friend of mine describe as being \u2018tapt\u2019: a state of deep self-awareness where your personal evolution and your art are inseparable, feeding off each other in a powerful, almost intuitive way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:9px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-f64ccfb8f861114cf9b6baf624d6d070\">Another great friend of mine said it best: \u201cSelf-reflecting and working towards that goal (whatever it may be) is the only way to progress in life. As you self reflect you realize that certain things directly affect your goals and you might not even realize it till you make the change. You don\u2019t know what you don\u2019t know\u201d. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:8px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-5808b199d846ee77f472e2f654f0a9c0\">For me, being <strong>tapt<\/strong> is realizing exactly that &#8211; and using it to create something honest.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:57px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-group-is-layout-ae672bdb wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<blockquote class=\"instagram-media\" data-instgrm-captioned data-instgrm-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/DFb2aR0sgot\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" data-instgrm-version=\"14\" style=\" background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; 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font-size:14px; line-height:17px; margin-bottom:0; margin-top:8px; overflow:hidden; padding:8px 0 7px; text-align:center; text-overflow:ellipsis; white-space:nowrap;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/DFb2aR0sgot\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; line-height:17px; text-decoration:none;\" target=\"_blank\">A post shared by fernospazzin (@fernospazzin)<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:57px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong>You\u2019ve built a strong reputation in the producer community, what do you think has contributed most to your growth and recognition among other producers and artists?<\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-63b08926c077425263b38d33999e8665\"><em><strong>Ferno<\/strong>: <\/em>A combination of tapping into a niche at the right time, and timing itself. In 2020, I was creating samples specifically aimed at a certain style of producer, and that focus helped me connect and grow quickly within that lane. But I\u2019ve come to realize that niches can be a double-edged sword; go too deep into one sub genre or style, and shifting directions can feel almost impossible. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-a6b4236a65eca9ba0d391d8185d83611\">Looking back, it might\u2019ve been more of a \u2018right place, right time\u2019 moment, especially during the peak of that style\u2019s popularity. I wouldn\u2019t necessarily tell new producers to just find a niche and live in it &#8211; you\u2019ll eventually hit a ceiling. While external validation can help some overcome self-doubt, I\u2019ve found it limiting. I make my best, most impactful music when I\u2019m true to myself, not chasing trends or approval.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-57c5ef63a2a4f8d68a4b05a52e23844a\">Since mid-last year, I\u2019ve been shifting my style, exploring genres like <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/samples?genres=19&amp;order=popular\">house<\/a><\/em><\/span>, and focusing on what really resonates with me. I\u2019ve realized that having a keen ear for the sonic subtleties I naturally gravitate toward will shape the future of my sound and the spaces I create within. Exploring new styles can be hard because we\u2019re wired to resist change, but pushing myself in this way has brought more inspiration and fulfillment than I\u2019ve felt in years.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:62px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q:<\/strong> <strong>Looking back, was there a particular moment or opportunity that validated your decision to become a producer full-time?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-20b89bc9a0bcaa120885f577c3b4ba9f\"><em><strong>Ferno<\/strong>: <\/em>I consider myself a \u2018full-time\u2019 producer, though others might not see it the same way. I\u2019ve always been in school while pursuing music, from getting my first placements at the end of high school to just graduating college last week. I\u2019ll be starting a full-time job in September, but to me, that\u2019s just another facet of my life. I don\u2019t view these paths as separate &#8211; I see them as intertwined. One might say I \u201cdream big,\u201d but I see that as a strength. As I gain more life experience, I want to explore fields like technology and design, especially where they intersect with music, such as applying blockchain in creative ways. I envision myself leading a large corporation one day, blending music and tech, while continuing to create music that truly touches people.<br><br>I\u2019ve found that structure helps me stay productive, and having these two sides of my life &#8211; music and my professional career &#8211; allows them to inspire each other. They act as a positive counterbalance, fueling both personal and creative growth.<br><br>I also believe that chasing music solely for money can compromise the quality of the art. That\u2019s something <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rick_Rubin\">Rick Rubin<\/a><\/em><\/span> touches on in <em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Creative-Act-Way-Being\/dp\/0593652886\">The Creative Act<\/a><\/span><\/em>, and it really resonates with me. Financial success in music is cyclical, but stability is priceless. Some people thrive under pressure, needing to \u201cmake it\u201d with no fallback, but I see that as negative energy. I prefer to take a risk-averse approach so I can create without feeling the need to sell &#8211; that\u2019s the long-term play. This doesn\u2019t mean I don\u2019t share my work or benefit from it, but I\u2019ve gone through times where chasing money clouded my vision and stunted my growth.<br><br>For me, validation comes simply from creating; being able to express myself and share that with friends and family is enough. Creating is a privilege, not a right, and I believe, as many others do, that it\u2019s my calling to express myself in whatever form that takes.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:54px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1170\" height=\"1481\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Ferno77.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1369\" style=\"width:510px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Ferno77.png 1170w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Ferno77-237x300.png 237w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Ferno77-809x1024.png 809w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Ferno77-768x972.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1170px) 100vw, 1170px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-3c95ced1287140aeab0632f7e7b52999\" style=\"font-size:13px\"><em>Ferno<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:67px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong>You produced <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/6bTdZ7xfKp3NqqADJ8HLyj?si=ffb93ec4c87b4430\">\u201cVampiro\u201d<\/a><\/em><\/span> by <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/matue\/\">Matu\u00ea<\/a><\/em><\/span>, <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/hotwiu30\/\">WIU<\/a><\/em><\/span>, and <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7AlAYttGnAg\">Teto<\/a><\/em><\/span>, which has over 300 million streams. Did you anticipate that success at all when you made it? How did that placement impact you?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-66ef6981b443d245983791eedb017d80\"><em><strong>Ferno<\/strong>: <\/em>The <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/30PRAUM\">30PRAUM<\/a><\/em><\/span> artists, <em>Matu\u00ea, Teto, <\/em>and<em> WIU<\/em>, are incredibly talented, and this song is a perfect example of when the right beat, the right song, and the right artists align at the right moment. I wouldn\u2019t say I fully anticipated how big it would become, but when you\u2019re really invested in an online community, you can feel when something has that superpower. From the moment <em>Matu\u00ea<\/em> first teased it, it was clear this track was going to be special.<br><br>I\u2019m beyond grateful for the success of <em>Vampiro<\/em>. It has pushed me to chase even my wildest dreams, both in the short term and looking further into the future. The fact that I produced it solo makes it even more meaningful, though all of my music reflects the inspirations and people who have shaped me along the way. One of the most unexpected and beautiful parts of this journey has been developing a deep appreciation for Brazil and its culture &#8211; it\u2019s shown me how far music can travel and connect. Sending my love to Brazil always.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:65px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong>What\u2019s one piece of advice you\u2019d offer producers who\u2019ve been making samples for a while but haven\u2019t yet broken through to getting placements or recognition?<\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-38a8f088069ed2ed66df8ea37e9cc000\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> I was watching <em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt3787590\/\">We Are Your Friends<\/a><\/span><\/em> the other week and this quote stuck with me: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt3787590\/quotes\/?item=qt3293368&amp;ref_=ext_shr_lnk\">The best part of anything is the moment before it starts<\/a>\u201d. Looking back, I wish I had spent less time in my early years worrying about placements or chasing a \u2018final product,\u2019 and more time developing the mindset I have now: seeking to learn something new every day (even outside of music) and truly enjoying the process.<br><br>I still have days where I feel a pressure to be doing more to hit some material level of success. But what I\u2019ve realized is that no amount of accolades, streams, or placements can sustain you long-term if you\u2019re not creating for yourself; for that inner calling to express something real.<br><br><strong>Enjoy the ride<\/strong>. That\u2019s where the real growth and fulfillment come from.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:69px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/track\/6bTdZ7xfKp3NqqADJ8HLyj?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameBorder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-090521ef7ae9be56319b8ccd65e27670\" style=\"font-size:13px\"><em>300+ million streams and counting, Vampiro was produced by Ferno<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:59px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong>Success in music can sometimes blur personal boundaries or priorities. How do you maintain balance and keep yourself grounded as your career progresses?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-9c8cabd502779206d00e4aba7c9a67a9\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>This has been at the heart of my self-reflection ever since I realized music was more than just a hobby for me. Health is my long-term priority &#8211; I focus on fueling my body with lean proteins, greens, fruits, and vegetables (essentially a <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.health.harvard.edu\/nutrition\/what-is-the-carnivore-diet\">carnivore-based diet<\/a><\/em><\/span> with balanced fiber), daily walks, cold plunges, workouts, and running.<br><br>Just as important is checking in with myself emotionally. I\u2019ve learned not to force creativity on tough days &#8211; there\u2019s always tomorrow, and sometimes stepping back is what keeps me grounded. That said, I do believe that life\u2019s hardest moments can inspire some of the most powerful, expressive art.<br><br>Finally, as I mentioned before, I have big goals beyond music. Exploring other fields, especially in technology and design, gives me a positive counterbalance to creating. Both sides of my work feed each other, often in unexpected ways, and that synergy keeps me inspired and focused on the bigger picture.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:65px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong><strong>From NBA YoungBoy\u2019s <em>&#8220;<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/6Gf7OQmh3Ra5XJkF4Vug4d?si=6d63e1b056a34e39\">3AM<\/a><\/span>&#8220;<\/em> to Flipp Dinero and A Boogie\u2019s <em>&#8220;<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/3TFO78JhsoNbQUrfKfGdIo?si=6f4f91a6670b4f06\">No No No<\/a><\/span>&#8220;,<\/em> your credits are diverse. Which record challenged you creatively, and why?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-b8088df451b33c7b31dc5039ceef9646\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>The story behind <em>3AM<\/em> really stands out, and it definitely pushed me both musically and creatively at that point in my life. It was during the early days of the pandemic, and a childhood friend of mine, Jake Wolfe, and I locked in for about two weeks, making nearly twenty loops. He lived just down the street and would bring his guitars over; we\u2019d spend hours just writing and experimenting.<br><br>What made it challenging, but also special, was the contrast in our backgrounds. Jake had never even heard of NBA YoungBoy before that song dropped, and he wasn\u2019t into rap much at all. But that\u2019s the beauty of it: great music <strong>transcends<\/strong> those kinds of barriers. We both found a creative outlet during a really uncertain, heavy time, and seeing something we made come to life on such a unique track was powerful.<br><br>That process challenged me to blend different sounds, to collaborate in new ways, and to trust that authentic music can reach places you don\u2019t always expect.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:58px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-4 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/27jThnrlCYR5fqSaRfjmxX?si=452547e771ce4568\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"379\" height=\"379\" data-id=\"1372\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Lets-Get-It.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1372\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Lets-Get-It.png 379w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Lets-Get-It-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Lets-Get-It-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 379px) 100vw, 379px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/3TFO78JhsoNbQUrfKfGdIo?si=ba4a590124c94a6c\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"379\" height=\"379\" data-id=\"1371\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/No-No-No.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1371\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/No-No-No.png 379w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/No-No-No-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/No-No-No-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 379px) 100vw, 379px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/4EbNxZ6ei9q1imUf2Hyo90?si=977302f69bfd4948\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"379\" height=\"379\" data-id=\"1370\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Jovenes-Millonarios.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1370\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Jovenes-Millonarios.jpg 379w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Jovenes-Millonarios-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Jovenes-Millonarios-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 379px) 100vw, 379px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/track\/07AQkmp456NpEnT8HR7WLy?si=5c6e0fe6de5a42c6\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"379\" height=\"379\" data-id=\"1373\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/M4.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1373\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/M4.png 379w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/M4-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/M4-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 379px) 100vw, 379px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b587e70aff2ac32e6cc2b1e4eacacdcc\" style=\"font-size:13px\"><em><em>500+ million streams between these 4 records, all produced by Ferno. From left to right: &#8220;Let&#8217;s Get It (Remix) by Hunxho, 21 Savage&#8221;; :No No No by Flipp Dinero, A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie&#8221;; &#8220;J\u00f3venes Millonarios<\/em><\/em> by Eladio Carri\u00f3n, Myke Towers&#8221;; &#8220;M4 by Teto, Matu\u00ea&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:64px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong>Is there a particular element, sound, or even a VST that you find yourself consistently returning to across your productions?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-85e825a1db41a0571ae166d3e6f6139a\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>I love delay &#8211; it effortlessly creates a psychedelic feel that I\u2019m always drawn to. Since diving into Ableton last year, I\u2019ve been able to explore that even more, especially with its precise and intuitive automation. My go-tos are simple but top-tier:<em> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.soundtoys.com\/product\/echoboy\/\">SoundToys\u2019 Echoboy<\/a><\/span> <\/em>and<em> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/valhalladsp.com\/shop\/delay\/valhalladelay\/?srsltid=AfmBOorQ54HW8FFHp0m1VxSbOZzfbKuNzNRUOiE0Q4dCnhBZ17VP7Vrc\">ValhallaDelay<\/a><\/span>. <\/em>I know I\u2019m still just scratching the surface of more experimental possibilities, and I\u2019m excited to see how this part of my sound evolves in the future.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:71px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong>Do you have any strong opinions on current trends in the producer community? Something you love, something that frustrates you, or maybe something you\u2019d like to see more of?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-e8ed7d1a5194b56633a90418327a5569\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with Reels and short-form content. On one hand, I appreciate how easy it is to share my work and stay connected with what my peers and inspirations are creating. But on the other hand, as much as I try not to let it affect me, the algorithm can influence how I feel about my own work, especially when a post doesn\u2019t perform the way I expected. It\u2019s a negative byproduct of something we can\u2019t fully control, and I\u2019m sure a lot of creators feel that. There was a certain peacefulness to creating in a world that wasn\u2019t driven by short-form content.<br><br>That said, I think over time, I\u2019ll find my own way to craft something that feels authentic; a type of reel or content that reflects my personality and taste without feeling forced.<br><br>This is also why I really value a platform like <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\">WAVS<\/a><\/em><\/span>. It\u2019s a space where I can share my samples and ideas with an engaged, like-minded community, without the pressure of chasing views or likes. 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font-size:14px; line-height:17px; margin-bottom:0; margin-top:8px; overflow:hidden; padding:8px 0 7px; text-align:center; text-overflow:ellipsis; white-space:nowrap;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/C-PKq3Esr5W\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; line-height:17px; text-decoration:none;\" target=\"_blank\">A post shared by fernospazzin (@fernospazzin)<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7c43bccdbf2689b574d48c1f51017d9c\" style=\"font-size:13px\"><em><em>One of Ferno&#8217;s reels<\/em><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:100px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q:<\/strong> <strong><strong>As someone who&#8217;s had considerable success, what&#8217;s one aspect of the music industry you wish you understood better earlier in your career?<\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-44d98b3d879bc5516a57c6a9078e1e04\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>Having two parents who are lawyers definitely gave me a head start in understanding the business side of music, things like royalties and protecting intellectual property, which can feel overwhelming if you\u2019re new to it. I hope anyone starting to gain traction takes the time to explore this side of the industry, or at least stays curious about the nuances that come with it.<br><br>One thing I wish I understood more deeply early on is how flawed and opaque the royalty system really is, especially in the streaming era. The current payout structures haven\u2019t kept up with the times, and there\u2019s a serious lack of transparency that makes it nearly impossible to navigate without help from labels or publishers &#8211; who, of course, take their cut.<br><br>What\u2019s puzzling, though somewhat understandable, is that <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Blockchain\">blockchain technology<\/a><\/em><\/span> already offers potential solutions to this lack of clarity. But without consensus or willingness to change from industry leaders, we\u2019re unlikely to see a real shift anytime soon. There\u2019s still too much resistance to unbundling centralized control.<br><br>And on a personal level, I wish I had started making music purely for myself earlier. My satisfaction with my work &#8211; and honestly, my overall well-being &#8211; is so much greater when I\u2019m creating without chasing external goals, just staying true to who I am.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:100px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong><strong>You&#8217;ve worked with artists like Eladio Carri\u00f3n, Myke Towers, and Lil Keed. Which collaboration taught you the most about the industry, artistry, or even yourself?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-dee6764d6b5b2748bf4ebeae8c7f6eb8\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>Every collaboration has taught me something different, but one standout moment was seeing the Eladio Carri\u00f3n record hit the top of Miami\u2019s Apple Music chart. That meant a lot to me, being from here. I\u2019m looking forward to connecting more with my hometown\u2019s music scene in the future, especially through different genres like house.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:49px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong><strong>What\u2019s an underrated production technique that you\u2019ve discovered and swear by, but isn\u2019t widely talked about yet?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-1a75e902bc53f8b911b9eb2fce37cc04\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>As I\u2019ve been exploring different genres, especially house music, I\u2019ve really come to appreciate<em> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Jx32vNC9pus\">transient shaping<\/a><\/span>. <\/em>Ableton\u2019s built-in transient controls in the<em> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/sounds.pauseplayrepeat.com\/blogs\/ableton\/ableton-s-warp-modes-explained\">warp modes<\/a><\/span> <\/em>have become essential for me, especially as I\u2019ve focused more on refining my mixing and mastering skills across full tracks. In house music, mixing is so intertwined with production that shaping transients is now a key part of how I work. Right now, I mostly use it on percussive elements, tightening or softening hits to get them to sit just right, but I\u2019m excited to experiment more with how transient shaping can enhance melodic elements too. It\u2019s one of those subtle techniques that can completely change the feel of a track when used right.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:54px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-base-font-size\"><strong>Q: <strong><strong><strong><strong>What&#8217;s next for Ferno? What&#8217;s the plan for the next 3 to 5 years?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-base-font-size wp-elements-93d00e738f8d0215f09bc12d0fa79d62\"><em><strong>Ferno:<\/strong> <\/em>First and foremost, I hope the next few years bring even deeper personal growth. Lately, I\u2019ve felt my musical interests shifting toward other genres, especially house music. This summer, I plan to fully immerse myself in that world, exploring new styles, techniques, and sounds. I\u2019ll likely take a step back from social media during this time, but I feel like I\u2019ve found the perfect home for my samples on <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/ferno\">WAVS<\/a><\/em><\/span>, where I can continue to share my work while maintaining the creative freedom I value.<br><br>Looking ahead, I see myself evolving more into a songwriter rather than just a \u201csample maker\u201d. After this summer, my focus will be on writing full songs that others can choose to sample, giving my work a new depth and context. It\u2019s a shift from my usual approach, but I believe it\u2019ll push me and anyone I collaborate with to new creative heights.<br><br>Embracing everything I\u2019ve learned so far, I\u2019m excited for what\u2019s to come and ready for the next chapter to unfold.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-text-color has-alpha-channel-opacity has-background is-style-wide\" style=\"margin-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--80);margin-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--80);background-color:#dddddd;color:#dddddd\"\/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized is-style-rounded wp-duotone-unset-2\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/ferno\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" src=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-square-smaller.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1367\" style=\"width:182px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-square-smaller.png 1080w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-square-smaller-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-square-smaller-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-square-smaller-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/wavs.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ferno-square-smaller-768x768.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:44px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" style=\"padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--xxx-large);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--xxx-large);font-size:42px;font-style:normal;font-weight:900;line-height:0.9;text-transform:uppercase\">sample FERNO&#8217;s catalog <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wavs.com\/ferno\">here<\/a><\/span>.<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dante Guzzi has been making music under the name Fernospazzin since 2019. 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